Rap and Hip Hop

Published on September 8, 2009 By Emperor_Seth In Everything Else

Discuss anything related to Rap/Hip Hop. I'd like to discuss how I noticed that Rap/Hip Hop doesn't get the respect that it deserves here on SD.

My current favorite artist,

Notorious BIG

Insane Clown Posse

KRS One

Immortal Technique

Drake

Kid Cudi

Aesop Rock

Esham

Eazy E

Junoir Mafia

Jay Z

Comments (Page 4)

Moosetek13

on Sep 17, 2009

Personally I think everyone is latently racist to some extent, it's an animal instinct.

Ah, so.

Being racist is genetic, then? And it is something we all share in to some extent, and just can't help it?

There was an article, just in the past couple days, that put forth that idea - that racism was genetic in nature. Might have been Time magazine, or some such.

If so, shouldn't racism be protected under the law instead of being something looked down upon and legislated against?

If we are born that way, we should revel in it. We should promote it as a normal way of life.

StAcK3D_ActR

on Sep 17, 2009

Personally I think everyone is latently racist to some extent, it's an animal instinct.

wow, you really are ignorant

TheRezonator

on Sep 17, 2009

Your point? This thread is about rap and hip hop, he was insulting rock. Other genres were not referenced in the thread(because it isn't about them), which is why I did not adress them.

my point is people are saying Rap is the best because it is not as white supremacist etc as Rock...

okay, Rap is the best because its not full of the crap that rock is... um, thats like saying Chocolate is the best flavour of all time because its better than vanilla... but there are other flavours... so the statement is false because it is based on false pretenses

Fuzzy Logic

on Sep 17, 2009

I know how to upset people

Get all the people who like rap, line them up against a wall, and shoot them. Hey presto! You'll suddenly find the crime rate cut by 90%...

Kodiak888

on Sep 17, 2009

is it racist to be racist against a group of people who are themselves racist.[/quote]

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Well, this can be generalized to mean that all rappers are racist. Which is ignorant, but not exactly racist. If you can't tolerate a culture different than your own, then you are a racist. If that culture is racist too, that has no bearing on you. You're still a racist. You and them are just both racists.

Also, the use of the word nigger, and the variations of that word, are more about ownership of the word by the people that it was used against. It isn't racist if used in the right context at all, and in the mainstream rap you don't like, it is used in a non-racist context 90% of the time. A black man using the word "nigga" is not condescending, because they have taken a derogatory word used against them, possessed it, and now use it amongst their culture as a sign of respect. I'm not going to explain the psychology behind it, but it's simple 101 reading if you're new to the idea, if you're not, go reread it.

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TheRezonator

reply 36

if i think Kanye West is a true dickhead for what he's done to Taylor Swift, or what he's done previously, im called a racist straight offf the bat, just because he happens to be black

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Kanye is a jackass. This isn't the first idiotic thing he's done, and won't be the last. He's just as bad as the other celebrities who try to influence politcs. They need to stick at what they're good at, and not crown themselves king of all opinions. The people that would call you a racist for saying this sound just as ignorant to you, as you do to us by saying that all rap is terrible and racist. You, and they, are lacking a critical viewpoint for understanding.

You're confusing cultural movements with rap. Rap is influenced by the culture that supports it. Life isn't imitating rap. There are always "posers" and "wanna-be's." That has nothing to do with Rap, other than your dislike and lack of understanding of the culture that spawned it.

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Rock sucks major cock.[/quote]

If you want people to respect your musical tastes, start by respecting theirs.

seconded

Devil's Advocate: People started insulting rap first. Rock wouldn't have come into the thread had it not been for them.

People started insulting rap first. Rock wouldn't have come into the thread had it not been for them.
why do people insist on generalising music to just Rap and Rock.... there are hundreds of other genres...

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Everyone here missed the point by seven miles. A LOT of Rock sucks, but there is some wonderful music in there, just like A LOT of Rap sucks, but there is some wonderful music in there. I didn't mention other musical genres because it's just redundant, but for those who have asspains about it. A LOT of Jazz sucks. A LOT of of Tejano sucks. A LOT of Classical sucks. A LOT of of Celtic sucks. etc, you get the point. Cherry picking a few songs with a limited sampling and you won't have a problem hating it. Actually taking the time to enjoy something different than your current tastes take a bit more than many are willing to give.

Rock is just another large, easily comparable genre. You can make the exact same arguement with -insert your favorite genre here-, I just chose rock as it's statistically the most popular in America.

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[quote who="StAcK3D_ActR" reply="47" id="2374291"]

Personally I think everyone is latently racist to some extent, it's an animal instinct.

wow, you really are ignorant

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Actually, fear of something different than you, especially things that you haven't had much contact in (in comparison) is built right into your core. Overcoming that ignorance is part of being intelligent.

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[quote who="TheRezonator" reply="48" id="2374305"]
so the statement is false because it is based on false pretenses

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Just like your arguement that Rap is all racist, about money, hoes, drugs, etc. This attitude seems to forget the entire mantra of "Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll." Applying any stereotype to reality lets one easily detect the idiots from the intelligent. If you came in this thread and said, "I hate main-stream rap, but that's my only experience with it", everyone who truly likes rap will agree with you, with minor exceptions. Most of it sucks.

Just because there are idiots who support Rap like you oppose it, doesn't make either of you right. It just makes the world worse.

I tend to enjoy soul-full hip hop about hope, love, and aspiring to get out of poverty. It's funny, the song I'm listening to now is about a man who's friends daughter was killed, and how the poverty beget poverty and traps people there, teaches them to hate, thus perpetuating the pain. It hasn't mentioned any of the things you said you hated about rap, except for mentioning them as being the problems with the world. It's also not something you'll hear on the corporate radio.

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my post editing is all messed up, sorry, I can't be bothered to try to fix it anymore if this last edit doesn't work. I'm too tired, but I put "-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------" around all my text for slightly easier reading.

Kodiak888

on Sep 17, 2009

Moosetek13

reply 46

Being racist is genetic, then? And it is something we all share in to some extent, and just can't help it?

There was an article, just in the past couple days, that put forth that idea - that racism was genetic in nature. Might have been Time magazine, or some such.

If so, shouldn't racism be protected under the law instead of being something looked down upon and legislated against?

If we are born that way, we should revel in it. We should promote it as a normal way of life.

Maybe I missed the sarcasm, but Racism (see Fear and/or Lack of Understanding) is built into every living creature, including us. What sets apart us from Apes, or fish if you'd like (or insert a random territorial animal if you're mad I didn't mention it over apes), is that we can (if we are willing to) overcome that basic ignorance and fear, and learn to appreciate and incorporate what we like from something, and thus become something better.

Racism is protected under the law, by means of Free Speech, Religion, etc. You can think, feel, say, whatever you like, as long as it's done through socially acceptable means.

What is legislated against are things like Hate Crimes. That is done because statistics have shown that Hate Crimes lead to repeated Hate Crimes, and are thus treated more seriously because most of the time they lead to more violence and obstructions of the law. It's the same idea as drug use. Hard Drugs aren't banned and illegal because they can hurt you, they are banned because the addiction can lead you to hurt others while under the influence or to feed the addiction. It's a very simple concept I'm sure everyone graps.

Promoting and reveling in ignorance is exactly what many people do, and why there are so many rifts in society.

Haree78

on Sep 17, 2009

Personally I think everyone is latently racist to some extent, it's an animal instinct.

wow, you really are ignorant

I'm not trying to be, Kodiak888 explained the point that I believe quite elequantly. I'm quite open to a discussion which disagrees with the point, and I only think it from my own experiences.

I actually believe that's how evolution works and how species end up branching.

I also believe what Kodiak said that overcoming that ignorance is a sign of a good upbringing or being intelligent.

I really don't like being called ignorant because I try my best not to be.

Emperor_Seth

on Sep 17, 2009

JagerJack

reply 42

Devil's Advocate: People started insulting rap first. Rock wouldn't have come into the thread had it not been for them.

I only said that stuff about rock because it pissed me off the way how people were generalizing rap. But I realized it's wrong, still I don't like rock/metal and I never will.

virgil_tracy

on Sep 18, 2009

TheRezonator

reply 38

i didnt say that. i said the majority of the RAPPERS are black. people of all creeds are affected (negatively) by rap music in my opinion.

but, what i did say, is that i dont see video gamers going on shooting sprees, or single handedly stopping any alien invasions. i do see rap lovers wearing the clothes they see in the music videos, copying the language they hear in the music, and simulating the social behaviour seen in the music and videos.

simple fact is you dont see any significant group of people emulating what you see in video games (except maybe racing games, but then look at Need For Speed, rap and fast cars go hand in hand so...) whereas by contrast you see a huge group of people emulating the behaviour seen in rap/hip-hop music and videos

Sorry, u do sound like a racist to me... Where are u from exactly??? I'm guessing either a small town or a white color suburb... Do u actually think inner city violence is caused by gangster rap?? I grew up in a bad neiborhood and there were guns, drugs, and hookers.. I am 30 years old so this was before "gangster rap" Rappers are just reflecting the world around them thru their music... Don't get me wrong I don't care for gangster rap, but I love hip-hop and it is a part of the very fabric of America so don't cut on it.....

Haree78

on Sep 18, 2009

virgil_tracy

I don't think you meant to address me, however quoting me makes it look like you did.

virgil_tracy

on Sep 18, 2009

fixed

TheRezonator

on Sep 18, 2009

Where are u from exactly???

Sydney Australia. There's a hole in your logic for you huh...

Im not saying this without basis, the number of kids who brought guns/knives/drugs to school, and claimed they did it because 50 Cent or tupac does it, is staggering.

maybe i am a little rascist. i believe the majority of asians cant drive well if their lives depended on it. but i dont go persecuting them for it. Im jewish, so i know the gravity of that. i believe that "Mainstream" (to keep all you politically correct whiners happy) rap, which, yes, happens to be dominated by black people, is a cause for alot of social degradation. i dont know about underground or atlernative rap. i think i might actually like it if it is what i think it is, but as it stands, mainstream rap is just bad, and promoting social anarchy. it is NOT the sole cause, but it certainly helps.

and dont get me wrong, im no prude, but there is a way to do it and a way not to, and Rap just screws it all up

JagerJack

on Sep 18, 2009

Im not saying this without basis, the number of kids who brought guns/knives/drugs to school, and claimed they did it because 50 Cent or tupac does it, is staggering.

Uh, yes, you are. Do you have numbers and studies to actually back this up? This same damn argument about corrupting children is used against video games and movies. But in reality, people are just stupid.

i believe that "Mainstream" (to keep all you politically correct whiners happy) rap, which, yes, happens to be dominated by black people, is a cause for alot of social degradation.

A lot? Oh no, a small number of children are calling each other bitches and niggas! Guess what? Most of them grow out of it by the time they're in their twenties. It's just another childhood phase.

but as it stands, mainstream rap is just bad,

The same thing could be said about [insert popular music genre here].

and promoting social anarchy. it is NOT the sole cause, but it certainly helps.

And it does this how? By using bad words? If that's the case, then music in general promotes social anarchy.

and dont get me wrong, im no prude, but there is a way to do it and a way not to, and Rap just screws it all up

....This doesn't even make sense. Screws what up?

Ranbir

on Sep 19, 2009

More to share, first is a remix for the upcoming World Cup 2010, good fun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULNQRwI09Rk

Second is Tinchy Stryder ft. Amelle - Never Leave You

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU-J6J8_Ytk

Guys if you don't like rap, then stay away from this thread, yeah? Seems the easiest thing to do.

virgil_tracy

on Sep 19, 2009

Sydney Australia. There's a hole in your logic for you huh...

Im not saying this without basis, the number of kids who brought guns/knives/drugs to school, and claimed they did it because 50 Cent or tupac does it, is staggering.

maybe i am a little rascist. i believe the majority of asians cant drive well if their lives depended on it. but i dont go persecuting them for it. Im jewish, so i know the gravity of that. i believe that "Mainstream" (to keep all you politically correct whiners happy) rap, which, yes, happens to be dominated by black people, is a cause for alot of social degradation. i dont know about underground or atlernative rap. i think i might actually like it if it is

Australia...that makes sense you guys still have a HUGE problem with racism!!!

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/UN_envoy_slams_entrenched_racism_in_08272009.html

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