I can obviously tell that you haven't listened to anything from the old school and underground/alternative scenes, because you don't know what you are talking about. Rap/Hip Hop isn't always about bitches,cars, guns and money, that's mostly the mainstream stuff which is mostly shit, although some of it's okay, like Nas and Jay Z for example.

Also, only an increibly small precent of rap/hip hop songs supports racism unlike Rock and Metal which the the preferred genres of music of white supremacist groups and Satan worshippers.

Do me a favor, STFU and go back to listening to whatever kind of music you like. Same goes to you InfinateVoid.

As much as I think rap is one of the worst kinds of music (I'm not an American so that doesn't mean I'm in to Rock!) this is the same dumb kind of attitude that makes people want to ban films and video games.  Open your eyes.

i do know what im talking about. like you said, the mainstream stuff, which, unfortunately, what makes up the major part of what people who call themselves 'rap-lovers' listen to. meaning regardless of what alternatives there are, my point is still valid.

as for the underground/alternative/whatever type, i dont really care about that, because as was said, only the mainstream stuff bugs me, as only it is what the problem is.

how many rap songs use the word "nigga" or some variant? yes, the word used to be anti-black. now, it is pro-black to the point that if you arent black you are a lower form of life. im all for equality and making up for the crimes and shit that happened during the times of slavery etc (im not american but nonetheless), but when said oppressed people swing back so far they become the biased, rasict, "oppressors" themselves, thats not cool.

however, i cant speak to rock music as i dont listen to it that much. just a few songs here and there, and yes, i do also listen to some rap/hip-hop songs, however the unfortunate truth is that the majority of rap/hip-hop what not is exactly as i described it in my previous post.

dont make assumptions, you'll just end up looking like a fool

now, im not here to change your point of view, i know im not going to succeed anyway. im just giving my opinion, and until rap changes to be an "intelligent" (whatever that means, in todays society...) and "conscientious" music style, my opinion is not going to change either. however, your response, complete with swearing/arrogance/ignorance and whatnot, is proof that you do in fact listen (perhaps too much) to rap/hip-hop, as such a response is indicative of someone who listens to angry, biased, hate-mongering and moral rotting 'music'

take 10 of the most popular rap songs from the past... lets say 4-5 years, and prove me wrong.

just because we have guns in games, does not make people want to go on shooting sprees (or if it does, its in the EXTREME minority).

whereas by comparison, ive seen dozens if not hundreds of people, both male and female, who want to be just like their rap "heroes", with their ghetto lifestyle, money, bitches, cars, guns, violence, drugs.

i invite you to prove my point of view wrong

I don't need to, it's rediculous.  You sound latently racist.

is it racist to be racist against a group of people who are themselves racist? im not saying i am. i do have a problem with the rappers themselves, nonetheless, there is an undeniable racist element in rap music, and unfortunately the majority of such rappers are black, yes.

but i am not racist

and to claim so is just to appeal to a still-open wound in society where any little thing can be construed as racism. if i think Kanye West is a true dickhead for what he's done to Taylor Swift, or what he's done previously, im called a racist straight offf the bat, just because he happens to be black

tough shit. and shame on you for trying to silence me and scare me off by calling me racist. thats just bad sportsmanship

Personally I think everyone is latently racist to some extent, it's an animal instinct.

However your idea that gamers are fine despite the violence they enact through games all the time and yet an entire part of the community that happens to be mostly black is somehow affected by music so that they are all trying to be bad guys shows some pretty obvious bigotry to me.

i didnt say that. i said the majority of the RAPPERS are black. people of all creeds are affected (negatively) by rap music in my opinion.

but, what i did say, is that i dont see video gamers going on shooting sprees, or single handedly stopping any alien invasions. i do see rap lovers wearing the clothes they see in the music videos, copying the language they hear in the music, and simulating the social behaviour seen in the music and videos.

simple fact is you dont see any significant group of people emulating what you see in video games (except maybe racing games, but then look at Need For Speed, rap and fast cars go hand in hand so...) whereas by contrast you see a huge group of people emulating the behaviour seen in rap/hip-hop music and videos

But what you are describing is just a cultural difference, why would society be better off without this cultural difference?

you create a thread asking people to respect rap, and you go posting this sort of stuff around ? the only reaction you'll get from posting this is people answering "well then rap sucks major cock too" ...

If you want people to respect your musical tastes, start by respecting theirs.

General-JWJ

seconded

Devil's Advocate: People started insulting rap first. Rock wouldn't have come into the thread had it not been for them.

Speaking for myself, i can say that i do like some individual songs right through all genres from Motzart to Metallica but never have i liked any individual rap music. I guess that is because it just dousn't seem to me to be be music at all, as far as i can tell it seems more like rantings with a beat!!

Now as far as rantings are concearned, yes i have liked some rap 'unmusic' because they ranted something i agreed with, but it is not a 'musical' entertainment, it is entertaining me in a different way.

why do people insist on generalising music to just Rap and Rock.... there are hundreds of other genres...

Your point? This thread is about rap and hip hop, he was insulting rock. Other genres were not referenced in the thread(because it isn't about them), which is why I did not adress them.

And you're hardly one to talk about generalizations....